Mike Pouraryan
Unfortunately the anti-choicers have enough voices in the media spreading misinformation that they can pull off saying whatever they want. A recent episode of The War Room With Quinn & Rose had a guest host Mike Pintek claiming that Obama "believes so firmly in abortion, he is so radical in his support for abortion and infanticide that he believes that if a woman chooses abortion, she's entitled to a dead body no matter what." Media Matters responded:
As Media Matters for America has repeatedly noted, Obama opposed certain bills amending the Illinois Abortion Law of 1975 while he was in the Illinois state Senate because he and other opponents of the bills said they would pose a threat to abortion rights and said they were unnecessary because Illinois law already prohibited the conduct supposedly addressed by the bills.
Indeed, as Media Matters noted, when tasked by the Illinois attorney general's office with investigating allegations that fetuses born alive at an Illinois hospital were abandoned without treatment, the Illinois Department of Public Health reportedly said that it was unable to substantiate the allegations but said that if the allegations had proved true, the conduct alleged would have been a violation of then-existing Illinois law. Obama himself has cited specific provisions of the Illinois Compiled Statutes in stating that the "born alive principle was already the law in Illinois."
You can read the full text of the the bill which would have amended the 1975 abortion law.
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Comment by Jonathan Biviano
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And I'm not against choice. You can choose to get pregnant in your apartment, a pay by the hour hotel or the back of your car if you want. I'm just against you murdering the baby you created with your choice.
You can choose to work, stay home, dance on your lawn, eat meat, don't eat meat, go to church, stay home on Sunday. Those choices are all yours to make and I won't stop you.
I don't want you to make the choice to murder an unborn child you CHOSE to create earlier. Not only is that act wrong, but very few women escape the pain and guilt that comes from that act later.
Comment by S.L.
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As for Obama... Yes, if it gained him points with Planned Paterthood or any other pro-abortion group, he would be reaching for the murdered baby and asking for some catsup.
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Comment by RubySoho
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I wonder how many of them know that Obama had the support of some Republicans on this bill? I wonder how many of them know that it was the wording of the bill? I wonder how many of them care?
Jonathan, few things annoy me more than a man telling me what I can and can't do with my body. Quite frankly, I don't give a shit what you think. No uterus, no opinion. Rack off.
And to everyone else, even if we are to grant the fetus full human rights, there is nothing, nothing, nothing in any law or human rights declaration that says that any human being must be forced to hand over their body for the benefit of another. You need a blood transfusion? You can't force another human to donate their blood. You need a new kidney? You can't force me to give you mine. You need a womb in which to grow? You cannot force another human to give you hers against her will.
A woman has rights too. Yes!! Hard to believe but women are human! Oh my gosh. What a revelation!
Comment by S.L.
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As for Obama, 99 Senators approved of the same bill (exactly the same bill) in the senate that he was against. He stood all alone in wanting abortion survivors killed.
Comment by RubySoho
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In 1997, Obama voted against SB 230, which would have turned doctors into felons by banning so-called partial-birth abortion, & against a 2000 bill banning state funding. Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.
It was the wording he was against. Calling a fetus a "person" would have been the first step in banning all abortion, even in the first trimester.
As for Obama wanting to kill live babies....um I believe that is called murder? Can someone please give me a link to anything, ANYTHING that clearly states that Obama wants to kill born babies that has some credibility attached to it please?
Comment by S.L.
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Comment by Summer Minor
And nice play of slut shaming. Because, of course, the only way women get pregnent is by being dirty sluts fucking random guys in their cars and hotels. I mean, rape never happens right? Condoms never break right? Birth control doesn't sometimes fail right? There aren't teenagers right now who think using Mountain Dew in an enema will stop pregnancy because the handwringing anti-choicers don't want them learning about silly things like condoms and birth control in sex-ed. No, obviously it's a case of loose women running around attacking poor innocent men with hard-ons and getting knocked up just for the fun of having an abortion.
Sorry, until you step back into reality you can play somewhere else. I'm instating a no-stupidity policy here.
And yes, you are anti-choice. The only pro-life people I've ever met are on the left. You know, the ones that support policies that help living people. So far I haven't seen a conservative or republican do anything pro-life.
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Comment by RubySoho
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Comment by Thoraiya Dyer
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Go on. Hit me with foetuses have souls. I can take it.
In the meantime, don't talk about DNA. If I was to culture some of my cells in a petri dish, they'd have the same DNA as me...just differing in size. Do they constitute a human? Bah. With the cloning technology we have, any one of my skin cells is a potential human. Leave science out of your emotive arguments. If the church still had its way, women would still be dying in childbirth at the ripe old age of 40, and billions of children would be starving to death because the earth can't support its current population, much less one where everyone had a dozen offspring. But of course, people who think God has a plan and there's plenty of room for everyone in heaven will be dead by the time we have altered the planet beyond its ability to support life.
Comment by Damo
Bahahahaha!
Comment by RubySoho
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And from Orble's Head Theologian no less. Summer, you should be honoured.
p.s. No, I didn't expect a link. That was my point.....
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Comment by Jonathan Biviano
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Oh, wait, I did.
The non-sensical things you say are things like
And I wasn't calling anybody a slut. I said you had a choice to have sex wherever you want, short of public indecency laws. I didn't say you did. I just don't want you to make the choice to murder. As I posted elsewhere, I wouldn't pass a law to stop you either, I would be there to comfort you years later when the guilt and shame hit.
And thank you Ruby, I'll have to add that title to my signature, since somebody of your esteem has bestowed it upon me.
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Comment by RubySoho
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But thanks for this "I said you had a choice..." . Tha man has spoken! He has officially decreed we have a choice to have sex! Like we were all sitting around waiting for his approval.
I love how Jonathan think his own personal experience is the benchmark for every other person in the world.
And here's a shocker for you: Some women don't feel guilty after they have an abortion. They feel bloody relieved. And if they do feel guilty, most likely its because of religious nutcases like yourself who insist on calling them murderers.
Comment by RubySoho
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A period doesn't usually get rid of a successfully fertilized egg, and when it does it's out of the woman's control, so you can hardly blame the woman. She had no choice.
Did you get that everyone? Out of the women's control. She had no choice.
But having abortion? Well, that's control. That's choice. And we can't have that can we?
Great choice of words Jonathan. You have inadvertently summed up what this debate is all about:
PRO-LIFERS OBJECT TO WOMEN HAVING CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN BODIES AND MAKING CHOICES.
Comment by Summer Minor
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And I've already covered the "abortion causes depression" line in another post. So far the evidence is lacking, and most often points more towards the people like you causing the depression than the actual abortion itself. Not that you care though since you get your kids shaming women and making them feel dirty for making choices you don't agree with.
Bible quotes? Really? Here's another hint, not everyone believes in your imaginary friend in the sky. Let's try fact based reasoning.
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Comment by RubySoho
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Protesting women's suffrage? You know once upon a time I was actually naive enough to believe that the pro-life movement did actually care about the fetus it was trying to save. My goodness, how wrong I was. It's not about the fetus at all is it? It's about putting women back in their place.
Comment by Damo
Oh look another person who has never had a child yapping as if they know anything about the subject.
Comment by RubySoho
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Do you see what I mean Summer? How honoured you must feel to have this fine specimen adding his unique brand of stupidity to your blog?
Comment by OnlineWriter
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Warts are made from a bunch of complex cells right? What gives us the right to eliminate these warts? They just want to grow so they can be happy and get into wart heaven too!
Comment by Mountain Fog
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QUOTE ME NO QUOTES!
sorrrrrryyy.... couldn't resist!
cheers
fog
Comment by Mountain Fog
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QUOTE ME NO QUOTES!
Maybe, a law could be passed where we keep all woarts and other stuff we have choppe doff in cryogenic suspension, so some time in the future, they might get a second chance. Hey, why nopt put all the foetuses there too!
cheers
fog
and sorry again about the shake joke...
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Comment by Summer Minor
Smooth Political, you and me both. As if we're running around trying to force everyone to have an abortion the way they're trying to force everyone to give birth. They can't grasp that not everyone wants to control women the same way they do.
Comment by Angry Passer-by
I hate this argument that a woman doesn't have a right to talk to talk about abortion unless she's had kids or been pregnant, but to anyone taking that line of argument:
1) HI! I've been there. (Do I have the right to speak now?)
2.) In my experience the majority of the people who use this argument are (relatively wealthy) men. Who will NEVER have a womb will NEVER get pregnant. And chances are, if by some miracle they were to get pregnant, they could probably support the resulting child.
I chose not to abort, (only to end up miscarrying). But i would not dare criticise anyone who chose to go ahead with it. It was a terrifying time for me, and for many women who find themselves in this situation, who know they may not be able to feed, clothe, or possibly even love this thing that was to become a baby.
Comment by Damo
I will try to be precise whilst the propaganda site behaves in the manner it was design to. which is to fill the cyber space with little more than continuos rants about you favorite subject. ie: why you love to kill.
Ruby has a one tactic mind.
No problems I deal with that simply by addressing it. If people disagree with you suddenly you reach into your bag of vitriol and mindless use the word misogynist. Ouch I am so wounded. She has never had a child and therefore is no position to preach about the subject of impact upon anyone. In fact all she has is insults and pretty lame ones at that. Not that it matters because in her claiming that someone else has missed the point she has in fact missed the who bus. So what is left is little more than smear campaigns and whoppers like 'Glob of Cells'
Summer
It is terrific that you have a child on the way. Yet I do fear that child could be in some sort of danger whilst in your vitriolic care. The ticking time bomb of when you may decide that it is not human has put that person in danger.
Note the fact that I do not care what you think about me.
The purpose of your site is pro abortion propaganda.
That is you agenda.
I oppose your agenda on the ground that you promote the abuse of the most fundamental human right. The right to live.
All arguments beyond that only justify killing another human.
BTW I have 5 kids.
So don't think for a second I am intimidated by any radical feminist mantras.
The point is made, I am moving on.
Comment by RubySoho
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My uterus is non negotiable. Bleat about it all you like. But my uterus is non-negotiable.
Comment by Summer Minor
And, for your concern, I don't think the fetus I'm carrying is a person. And I won't for a few more weeks. That doesn't mean I'm rushing out to get an abortion. See, there's this crazy little thing called choice and this idea that my choice should not be what you have to do just as your choice should not be what I have to do. You can choose to run around with your underwear on your head screaming the lyrics to Yankee Doodle for all I care, but once you start trying to regulate that into a law and force me to do the same then we're going to have issues.
There is no such thing as "pro-abortion", not in the context. The so called "pro-life" want to force every woman to give birth. The pro-choice want every woman to choose. So a "pro-abortion" person would want every woman to have an abortion. Interestingly enough, that would put the "pro-life" people more in the pro-abortion camp. You know, with that wanting to take away a woman's access to birth control and refusing to teach teens how not to get pregnant. I mean, do you really think refusing to give a woman Plan-B is going to make her shrug her shoulders and say oh well if she ends up pregnant. No, you know exactly what it means and you revel in it. Only you also want to take away her access to a safe abortion in hopes that she'll become another woman bleeding to death in some back alley.
Where's the "life" in that? Oh that's right, women aren't really people anyway. Everyone knows only fetuses and men are people worth anything.
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Comment by RubySoho
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Bahaha. I think I have my next crazy conservative qoute of the week right here!
Comment by RubySoho
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Hello? It's Oxy, can I speak to Moron please?
Comment by Morgan Bell
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is it a bit like karma points, the more children you have the more weight your comments bear? if you have 15 children do you out-rank someone with just five? and do they only count if they are currently living? do they count if they are estranged?
or are you a more respected man depending purely on the number of eggs you fertilise with the seed from your big manly penis?
a bit like notches on your belt . . .
i guess since we are all still living in caves it is important to be able to present a tribe of children to prove your verility . . . you must prevent your woman from aborting any pregnancies or else the jones from the next cave over may snicker about your manhood
Comment by Colonelangus
do you want some junglebunny that doesn't know what he is signing to make decisions about our country?