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That's the headline given to an article about the number of rapes in San Diego going up. It's not that more men are committing rape, or that rapists are getting away with repeat assaults, or even the more positive outlook that more rapes are being reported. Nope, it's those silly girls getting drunk and getting themselves raped.

From the story:

"The majority are young women who start out in bars or at a house party and end up drinking too much," Kendrick told the newspaper. "They can't consciously make a good decision, like say no and leave. Or maybe they've had too much to drink and can't leave."

Right, because having the audacity of being a woman, drinking, and in a place where there are rapists is really just a matter of making the wrong decision. Everyone knows that if you just tell your rapist no he'll let you get up and leave, it's just that the women are too drunk to do that.

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How about that more men are targeting women drinking in bars or parties. Which really isn't that surprising given the way rape cases are handled today. If a woman drinks too much she not only has to worry about being raped, but also that the judge will decide if she was too drunk to walk she was also too drunk to say no. Rather than ruling more harshly against the rapists who take advantage of woman who are intoxicated the women are punished for doing the drinking, sending the not-so-subtle message that "good girls" stay at home and wash their hair rather than leave the house and behave like everyone else is. And of course if you're not a good girl then it's not really rape/it's totally your fault.


One good thing is that from this San Diego's rape numbers should decrease. Not that the number of actual rapes will go down, just that more women will choose not to report them for fear of how they will be treated when it's discovered that their ankles were showing.

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Comment by alt_ed

July 31st 2008 17:59
Hey Summer Minor,

The whole 'blame the victim' spiel really is starting to wear thin... I mean seriously, should I just go rob a bank and blame the staff for handing over all the cash? I mean so what big deal, I walked in with a semi-automatic weapon; doesn't mean I'd actually use it-- See it'd be totally the bank's fault!!!

The thing is though, because it's a poor defenseless bank, I'd probably end up serving 10-20yrs in prison...

*sigh* Oh well, at least we can still get away with rape.


Comment by RubySoho

July 31st 2008 22:46
In Russia a woman had the sexual harassment charge she brought against her boss thrown out because, according to the judge, "if we had no sexual harassment we would have no children".

Not only is the victim being blamed but the perpetrator is being rewarded.

We're going backwards aren't we guys? Its terrifying.


Comment by Smooth Political

August 1st 2008 04:37
That's shameful. What can we do to stop the madness. Raise our sons better maybe?

Comment by Cheryl J

August 1st 2008 13:55
It's horrible isn't it Summer. No wonder so many people, both women and men who are raped, don't want to come forward because of the risk that they themselves will be blamed for some violent bastard who can't control himself because they may have had a drink or two. It's utter madness.

Comment by Morgan Bell

August 1st 2008 15:09
any man who has sex with a woman who is too drunk or drugged to walk or stay conscious is just sickening . . . i know the type, and i really wonder what their mothers taught them about respect

Comment by Dianna G

August 2nd 2008 05:25
...Or a woman who's too drained to function for whatever reason...

Gods. This is one of the most disgusting things anyone can do.

So all men who drink are asking to be sodomized.

Seriously, I should come up with something about double standards...

~Dianna

Comment by Anonymous

August 2nd 2008 05:55
This is a superbly and deftly written post, Summer. Many kudos to you!
It's the old "candy's dandy, liquor's quicker" bullshit line all over again.
It's amazing how we can have a judiciary full of highly trained and experienced trial lawyers who all of a sudden forget a simple fact of plain biology when they don their black robes.
Women's bodies aren't made to handle alcohol in the same way men's bodies are. It's not sexist to say this; it's commonsense and plain biology.
I remember watching what happened to a young woman one night at a party many years ago after she told her stunned fiancee it was over. She started drinking to put the pain aside. But she was very skinny and tall and hardly used to drinking. He never got over seeing what happened that night and how no matter how hard they tried to sober her up so she wouldn't get in trouble with her college dorm proctor (this was years ago.) She damn near died even after her girl friends tried propping her up in the shower stalls.
The couple was reunited the following day, but the relationship grew more tenuous and eventually fizzled. Many years later, the once-young man, who'd managed to remember only the vaguest details of the incident (for a "healthy warning" to pass along to his daughters, if necessary) began to have video-quality flash-backs of the incident. (He was too stunned that night to do much drinking so his memory wasn't nearly as impaired ... just thoroughly impacted.)
He didn't want to alarm his wife -- he met long after college -- but the scariness of the suddenness and clarity and frightening memories of this horrific incident -- because he felt responsible all his life since the woman that night was both his date and fiancee -- even though he didn't get that other woman drunk -- were simply too much to ignore.
It was his first and only "flashback."
Hey guys, if that's what happened to a guy who became an unwitting bystander to such a potentially dangerous situation for a woman he cared deeply for feel like after so many years -- imagine what it is for a woman to have to live with the uncertainty, fear of assault, seduction, and the societal shame heaped on her like she was equally at fault. Boys, grow up!
If the "girls get bettery looking at closing time" as Mickey Gilley used to sing, then it only shows that the men aren't getting any smarter. And if anyone doubts that, they only need to see just snippets from those "party girl" films shot during Spring Vacations in Florida.




Comment by Ahmed

August 2nd 2008 14:22
regret does not make rape, seems to me most of these drunk rape cases involve women who are full of regret and not actual assault.

it's pretty bad in Queensland now, they have a law which essentially makes the man guilty for having consensual sex, all the woman has to do is cry rape and it doesn't matter if she was as drunk as the dude, he gets the blame and is labeled a rapist.

This is probably why the reports of women being raped after drinking has gone up, the laws have made it easier for women to cry rape where she has no right to.

It's a grey area, but honestly, meh, it's the alcohol. I'd say ban alcohol but then there'd be people who get angry at me for it. haha, considering it is the most destructive substance in existence and causes all this bullshit you'd think people would be more responsible. But hey, it's socially accepted, no, socially recquired to dirnk, so people do and get taken advantage of, some people drink, have sex, regret it, and cry rape. There is no way you can prove which is which so whatever ruling comes down is basically up in the air.

Feminists will cry foul regardless though, because according to them women can do no wrong ^-^

Comment by Summer Minor

August 2nd 2008 16:41
ahmed it's not a grey area. If she is drunk then she is legally impaired and not able to say yes.

Just because you'd like to pass off rapes as nothing more than regrets, that doesn't change the fact that men are forcing women to have sex. How can you regret sex when you were unconscious in the first place? That's not regret, that's rape.

Men like you make me sick. You assume every woman is in a constant state of yes, that we're all just walking around wanting to fuck you. So when you take what you think you own and we call the cops you pass it off as regret. Did you ever consider that women don't all just want to have sex, that we're not just walking recepticals to be filled, that the default setting is no unless an explicit yes is given?

If she's too drunk to drive, or sign legal documents, or fucking get up and walk then it's not a yes. Any decent human being would see that.

Comment by Ahmed

August 2nd 2008 16:56
ahmed it's not a grey area. If she is drunk then she is legally impaired and not able to say yes.

and if he's drunk?

What if she's acting like she wants it? What's the dude going to do? Breath test her? I'm sure there are cases in which women are taken advantage of, however I also believe in most situations the man is equally drunk, you can't just say he's a rapist now can you? However there is new legislation being pushed which states that if a woman is drunk and has sex she can say she was raped, there is no mention of the man, what if he's also drunk? Is he still a rapist?

Just because you'd like to pass off rapes as nothing more than regrets, that doesn't change the fact that men are forcing women to have sex

If men are forcing women to have sex then I'm quite sure that's rape, however if a woman gets drunk and is eager to spread her legs for a dude only to regret it the next morning it's not rape, it's her fault for drinking so much to the point she's impaired her ability to think.

Men like you make me sick. You assume every woman is in a constant state of yes, that we're all just walking around wanting to fuck you

Like me? I don't even drink and wouldn't even look at a woman twice if I smelled alcohol on her breath. I hold myself up to extremely high principles, more so than probably anyone else I've ever met, but hey, that's just me.

But kudos to you and your ability to question my character based on one comment. I guess it just exposes how you're not thinking clearly and just going off knee jerk reactions.

fyi, if a scantily clad woman throws herself on me I'm going to assume she wants sex, and honestly if it were some other dude and she were drunk then meh, seriously, meh, whats he going to do? If he likes her and she's practically begging him to pull down her panties then she has no right to call rape, in a court of law it can go either awy because motive is up in the air when it comes to drunkness.

How can you regret sex when you were unconscious in the first place? That's not regret, that's rape.

Umm, I never said that wasn't rape, I was simply pointing out why reports of rape are increasing. It seems to have more to do with laws giving womena little too mch power than some sort of idealistic feminist theory.

Did you ever consider that women don't all just want to have sex, that we're not just walking recepticals to be filled, that the default setting is no unless an explicit yes is given?

hahahaha, there are more ways to say you want sex than to have it written in a contract. Like i said, if a woman shows all the signs whats a guy to do? Heck, in a typical setting the guy is probably as drunk as teh chick, but in the end the chick can call rape and the guy will be thrown in prison. Why? Because the law allows it, is that a fair law? Nope. On the plus side it has increased the incidences of rape, so apparently it's working... or just redefining rape.

If she's too drunk to drive, or sign legal documents, or fucking get up and walk then it's not a yes. Any decent human being would see that.

and if he's just as drunk, what does that make it? two drunk people saying yes to sex, one regertting it, calling rape. You tell me, in this scenario, is it rape?

Comment by Anonymous

August 2nd 2008 18:27
Wait'll you grow older, and perhaps have daughters.

That young man could hardly touch a drop soon after he saw what happened to what he then thought would be his ex, permanently. He went back to his campus and spent the rest of the night walking all over campus completely shell-shocked as any 19 year-old kid would after witnessing this. And with all the uncertainty about her welfare that went with it. Luckily, nothing terrible did happen.

He was later told by her that she planned on dropping out that very day after if he hadn't forced the issue of visiting her and trying to both work things out and get some answers.

That was back in the early seventies, the time of the so-called sexual revolution and all that other b.s. that didn't liberate people. It only enslaved them to more bad and lousy sex; the kind that comes from sleazy "men" who feel like they've "accomplished something" by getting into a girl's pants, notwithstanding all the other stuff that could happen. And how many girls back then were conned into having abortions and brainwashed into justifying them more out of fear and shame than out of conviction. Alot of those then frightened gals are now regret-filled middle aged women; possibly embittered due to unresolved memories. PPF, NARAL and NOW won't even touch this, because even they know there's no reason on earth for having any "convictions" for an abortion, and they still remain SILENT about their complicity in this holocaust heaped on top of an overly immature and pampered generation filled with a sense of self-entilement (on steroids).

"Hey, got her knocked up? Call this clinic's number ..."

Ahmed, guys like you are a dime-a-dozen. But you still have plenty of time to grow up and be a man to help put a strong brake on this selfishness that's been a black mark on the male half of the human race since time immemorial. Men, being men, will forever try and take advantage of women whenever, wherever and however they can, be it by old fashioned "likker" or the newer method, that insidious "rape drug" some of these creeps who fashion themselves as "men" like to put in their dates or mere "hook up" acquaintances.

That young man and his former never excused what happened. They took responsibility for the embarrassment and her dorm "grounding." (Indeed, colleges took their parietal responsibilities a lot more seriously, and they should start doing it again.) But even you'd have to admit both that then-younger woman and her ex would've given anything to have not occasioned the circumstance and avoid having to live with those memories. And they were LUCKY. Especially her.

Don't you see? Open your eyes, if not your heart. Summer's patience with you is far more than most women I know of, and much more than you deserve.

Comment by Ahmed

August 2nd 2008 18:40
Patience? She instantly compared me to men who take advantage of women based on a single comment.

I find that to be scarily disturbing, that's patience?


Like I said, and will say again, newer legislation gives women the ability to cry rape where she has no right to. Just because she's drunk and had sex does not mean she was taken advantage of, and it is a dangerous thing to give her the ability to turn her regret into a rape fantasy because she will exploit it to get out of having to face reality.

Saying 'well i was drunk and now that I'm sober I regret it, therefore I was raped' is an insult to rape victims and undermines the gravity of rape as a crime. Then again, considering how rape seems to be an almost daily occurence I say that has already ahppened.


Also, it is extremely sexist for you to say men will always be trying to take advantage of women, what do you think men are? Animals? So this is the patience men are given? Playing the victim card, the gender card, then to top it all off, essentially accusing me of being a rapist.

That's some real patience for you sweetheart


I love how you refuse to respond to what I have to say, it goes to show what your line ot hinking really is and you are simply afraid to say it outright because you know it sounds ridiculous.

Comment by Ahmed

August 2nd 2008 18:44
btw, if I have daughters I'll raise them up to be principled women, not the kind who get drunk or even drink. Alcohol is a destructive substance, better to avoid it completely than to pretend it's ok given it is kept to a level given by some arbitrary social standard.

Comment by Anonymous

August 3rd 2008 01:43
Listen up smarty,

I've worked nearly twenty years on two college campuses, one coed, the other all women. I've also attended and graduated from what was then an all-male college so I know damn well what I'm talking about.

It's not sexist to presume men demonstrate the worst behavior. I'm a father of daughters and I'm well aware of what young men under the influence do when they try to get women under the influence because they know what booze can do.

In your last response you finally demonstrated some maturity, or recognition of what it means to be a mature man. But how much of it reflected sincerity on your part or just a sudden recognition that you pushed your envelope too GD far. Well you did and you revealed yourself for the phony you are with your views. Some laws reflect some inequality in practice because of the ways some males of chronological maturity (albeit grossly immature upstairs where it counts) "behave."

Real men use their heads, avoid compromising situations with questionable people around them and they sure as hell don't bring their dates or the females in their lives they treasure dearer than their own lives into such situations. Sometimes that can't always be avoided, but even then a man has a responsitility to still behave like a man. And if he refuses to, well he's not much of a man and it'll be on his conscience should, God forbid, anything untoward happen.

For your sake, however, and any daughter of yours, don't be so damned self-righteous when you give her or them your opinion about booze, especially when you've got those other more libertarian views -- as aces in the hole for the guys -- you'd probably not want them to hear about, either.

Enough.

Comment by Ahmed

August 3rd 2008 02:31
awww, so you go on a little tirade that... doesn't seem to have any context in what I've had to say... and end with 'enough' because clearly you are right. What's the amtter? Afraid to here an opposing view point? I wonder why...

Grow some balls dude, if you're going to put your opinion out, prepare to back it up and stand for it all the way.

If people like me were a dime a dozen society would be a whole lot more different, unfortunately people like you seem to be the norm and things are pretty shitty eh? Orbles community is suffering from such self reightous characters as yours but I suppose that's why people blog. Rally behind the dude who likes to use the strong words, truth, context and reality be damned!

So while we're on the topic of self reightousness let me have a go at it, especially with you bringing my manhood into question (no doubt to justify your own weak position which cannot hold its own on factual merit). A real man is principled, a real man is strong at heart, a real man is strong of will. I'm sure you agree, you're accusing me of not having any such quality of a 'real man'. Haha, honestly dude, I can garantee that when you were my age you'd have screwed up more times than me. Drugs, drinking, women, bad sportsmanship, you name it and I garantee I have a cleaner record than you.

I'm more of a man right now than you could ever be in twenty lifetimes, I'm more principled and stronger at heart than you'll ever be, than you'll ever even be able to dream of or even comprehend.


Ok so did you like that? I mean, it's complete bullshit, what does it prove that I'm saying I think I am better than you? What do you think you're saying when you start with the question of manhood or whatever. Do you think I care? That's the kind of self reightous attitude I don't like. All you do is lose respect in my eyes, and if you don't care if I respect your opinion or not then the only conclusion a sane person can come up with for why you bothered writing so much is because you were responding for yourself, perhaps looking for [raise from people who agree with youy, but it had nothing to do with the issue, it was just about you.


If you have an opion and are mature and capable enough of respecting mine withoout resorting to personal insults then I'm all for it, otherwise I'm just wasting my time. I'd forgive you somewhat if you were a woman, but as a man I expect more from you. Is that sexist then?


More importantly, is that enough?

Comment by The wonderful Peter Yang

August 3rd 2008 04:47
Hmm...interesting, that is why I don't pick up cheeks at bars.

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