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Sex Is A Lifestyle Choice, Not Ovulation

July 18th 2008 11:50
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So apparently on the Cafferty Files they were discussing McCain's bumbling attempt at not answering why he thinks Viagra is OK for insurance companies to pay for and birth control is not. After a little conversation Cafferty comes up with a gem of an answer. Male penises are deserving of medical treatment, women's ovaries are not. If anyone can explain the logic of that one please go right ahead, I'm too busy picking up the pieces of my exploded brain.


CAFFERTY: Well, you know, the answer is Viagra is used to treat a medical condition, erectile dysfunction. Birth control is a lifestyle choice. And that’s why insurance companies don’t reimburse for it unless pregnancy represents a danger for the woman. And then there’s a gray area where you can do a negotiation.

Now, perhaps it's because I'm a woman and have more experience dealing with ovulation than I do with trying get a hard on I see things as quite the opposite. Ovulation and menstruation are more medical conditions than getting it up is. Choosing to have sex, the thing that would require a man to worry about needing Viagra, is a lifestyle choice. Women, however, don't generally get to make the "lifestyle choice" of whether or not we're going to have our period.


Now, I know some will say that having sex would be a prerequisite for needing birth control as well, making both lifestyle choices. However hormonal birth control is often prescribed to women to control several actually medical conditions that have nothing to do with whether or not a person has sex. Heavy, painful, absent periods, symptoms of menopause, and polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) are all treated with hormonal birth control. Tell me, how many conditions are treated with Viagra?

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Comment by Anna Kovacevic

July 18th 2008 13:32
Unfortunately our government sees dollar signs on our ovaries as well.

When a goods and services tax was introduced in Australia in 2000, products such as tampons and pads were not exempt even though lubricants and condoms did not attract the tax.

Womens menstruation is expected to raise up to $20 million dollars in this country alone in tax each year.




Comment by Morgan Bell

July 19th 2008 05:57
oh Anna said what i was going to say! haha
when the GST came in here in Australia all the women (including myself) were quite insulted that tampons were not considered "essential items" . . . for women they are as essential for health and hygiene as toilet paper and toothpaste . . .
saying The Pill is a "lifestyle choice" is even more stupid, The Pill is prescribed for many many therapuetic reasons apart from birth control (and personally i consider birth control to be a good enough reason in itself)
regulating unpredictable periods, severe period pain and cramps, to treat acne and skin conditions, hormonal and mood problems . . . the list goes on
obviously old men formulate what is essential and what is not

Comment by RubySoho

July 19th 2008 06:08
Birth control is a lifestyle choice.

In other words, women should just do the right thing and get pregnant every nine months.

Comment by Morgan Bell

July 19th 2008 06:22
Ruby if you are doing something other than that you are not a real woman, it is your duty to populate the white race . . . oops hang on youre not white, i think we should get you neutered! hahaha

Comment by RubySoho

July 19th 2008 07:43
Neuter me? Shouldn't take too long Morgan. According to Raven, I am already :

'a sad barren woman, spiritually, morally, physically'




Comment by RubySoho

July 19th 2008 08:26
Neuter me? Shouldn't take too long Morgan. According to Raven, I am already :

'a sad barren woman, spiritually, morally, physically'




Comment by Morgan Bell

July 19th 2008 09:35
a sad barren woman?

i wonder what argument that would have been relevant to? *scratches head*

i like how some men think its acceptable not to divulge any personal information yet when you want to express an opinion you have to provide a papsmear hahaha

Comment by Summer Minor

July 19th 2008 13:34
a sad barren woman

And the only way to fix that is to find god and pop out a kid every 9-10 months, right? Ha!

Comment by I are Woman

July 24th 2008 21:16
If I didn't take birth control, I would be taking sick leave once per month for debilitating cramping and obscenely low blood pressure. But it's clearly my fault for being born a woman, so I should just suck it up! Come to think of it, I shouldn't be working in the first place, should I? Nah, leave the breadwinning to the men. I need to get back to work making babies. You don't have any periods when you're pregnant!

Comment by Summer Minor

July 24th 2008 21:26
That's right I Are. Clearly, you having severe cramps is just a lifestyle choice.

Comment by Fed up

July 25th 2008 04:42
Only thing left to do is a national campaign to stop all sex with men - all, ever. Until the males start pushing those old men to remove all regulations regarding women's reproduction. Really, girls, it's all W has left us. Let's do it! I'm doing my part.

Comment by Anonymous

July 26th 2008 02:17
Birth control is not necessarily just for not getting pregnant, many women need to take it to regulate the order of things so that they do not have health problems later in life. Men, on the other hand, can live a long life without having an erection or sex. Viagra is for a lifestyle choice, birth control is for medical reasons.

Comment by K.Rae

July 29th 2008 02:47
My favorite part of this was the big John McCain ad in the middle...way to go AdSense.

Comment by Summer Minor

July 29th 2008 06:45
I know K.Rae! I see John McCain ads and pro-life ads more than anything. I'm taking that to mean they're worried more and therefore advertising more.

Comment by Throckmorton Jones

July 30th 2008 01:38
Jeez... guess I'd better get with the being pregnant too then. *shakes head*

Comment by Anonymous

July 30th 2008 05:31
I know more women who began using the pill for non-contraceptive reasons (like the ones you list) than those that use the pill to prevent pregnancy. Many of these women were using the pill during times of no sex because the benefits were worth it.

Comment by NicuNurse

July 30th 2008 09:41
"Tell me, how many conditions are treated with Viagra?"

Actually, there is at least one that I know of. Persistant Pulmonary Hypertension of the Newborn (PPHN) is commonly treated with Sildenafil - we call it by its generic name so as not to upset the baby's parents!

I know, I know, I'm being facetious. I agree with the content of your article. I just thought you might appreciate this little bit of medical trivia.

Cheers.

Comment by Anonymous

July 30th 2008 18:29
It brings me back to that discussion about women not being suitable for certain combat situations because our "monthly infections" would attract bears. what is it with old male politicians?

Comment by Cheryl J

August 3rd 2008 07:27
Yes I can see how birth control is a lifestyle choice as it doesn't have any medical use at all (?!?!?!)...yet a soft-on is a medical condition. Obviously this is because men think with their penises so if they can't get hard their mental ability suffers. Sounds like Cafferty needs a bit the old Viagra to get his thoughts together.

Well I'm just going to go sit outside and wait for people to throw rocks at me screaming 'unclean' because I get to menstruate and that's my lifestyle choice.

Comment by Lewis T

August 4th 2008 08:11
To answer your question, they found that either Viagra or a similar pill can help with flight sickness.
This does not undermine your argument, and I am not trying to.

However, the more important thing to me is, that McCain, rather than stating his opinion on the subject, pulled a "What did they tell me to say here?" in the words of Frank Caliendo as George Bush. So much for "straight-talk".

Comment by kurra

August 7th 2008 03:49
Are vasectomies covered?

Comment by Anika Belle

August 7th 2008 19:13
Our periods also have a huge influence on hormones, I use birth control to regulate my hormones because I have an over active thyroid. There are more reasons than just avoiding an unwanted pregnancy, the medical reasons people go on medications are private matters and the government of all institutions should respect and honor that. Give the people the medicine they need and don't judge people why or why not the prescription is given. I understand that men need their prostates to work in order to try and avoid cancer, they have just as much right to that as any woman has the right to the medicine she needs.

Comment by sisterchromatid

August 9th 2008 20:02
It is wrong that the patriarchy is controlling our ovaries. Birth control should be as affordable and readily available as erectile dysfunction medication.
However, I think one very important response to this problem is for women to get together and educate themselves on healthy, natural alternatives to "The Man's" products related to our reproductive organs. Some people will probably always need birth control because of medical conditions, but lots of women could benefit from natural herbal contraceptives. In addition, many women, I think, should look into their use of tampons and pads further. Far be it from me (or anyone else) to tell you what to do, but what if evidence pointed towards these products giving you cervical cancers? I think women owe it to themselves to at least look into such things as menstrual cups, organic pesticide free tampons, etc. in order to be healthier and happier. Also, there are herbal teas and tinctures that can bring on a late period within eight weeks of a missed cycle; herbs that prevent fertilization; herbs that cure yeast infections, UTIs and some STIs like trich and gonorrhea.
Wouldn't it be better to treat your reproductive system really nicely with lots of healthy foods, exercise and natural disease prevention and treatment, instead of relying upon medication and products that are only lining the patriarchy's pockets and making you sick??

Comment by silenttrio.com

August 9th 2008 20:36
I agree w. sisterchromatid that the less you depend on the medical industry for your well-being, the better. Taxpayer dollars pay for new drug research, and we pay exorbitant fees, supposedly for "research".

um, wat?

And they don't want you to get better. Doctors don't care, they don't listen, and they don't usually know enough about a single condition to advise you ANYWAY. I would recommend curezone.org forums as an alternative resource, though there are lots of looney's hanging out there.

You should always consider yourself your own primary care physician, and everyone else is merely a specialist offering a second opinion. Nobody can possibly know as much as you can about your personal health.

Comment by Meredith

August 9th 2008 21:37
While it is true that a healthy lifestyle and healthy choices is the first line of defense against disease, I am wholeheartedly against this anti-doctor/anti-science rhetoric. You are victims of the anti-intellectualism movement if you think cutting edge medical research doesn't benefit you and only line men's pockets. Who do you think documented and confirmed the benefits of natural supplements and herbs? Who do you think debunks popular "natural remedies" that are actually detrimental to your health? If pads and tampons have anything to do with cervical cancer, who do you think will discover exactly how and why this happens, and what to do about it? I promise you it won't be your politicians, religious leaders, or the general public. It most likely won't be any of you, either. It'll be done by those who devote their lives to learning everything they can about the human body and dare test their new ideas through research. You owe your very livelihood to medical research, old and new.

Scientists and doctors are tax payers, too. Don't write them off because you don't like the fact that research takes time and isn't free. It's incredible the things people take for granted.

Comment by mdjudy

August 10th 2008 12:26
what i find most ironic is that my employer ( a hospital) provides insurance which covers viagra but not contraception. however, were i to get pregnant, they will cover the thousands of dollars it costs to deliver the baby (at a cost much higher than the pill).

Comment by Anonymous

August 10th 2008 19:20
How screwed up? It's absolutely insane that anyone would think that Viagra is a necessity at then say birth control isn't.
Living in the UK, I can get birth control on the NHS for free, in any form I want, provided I discuss it with a nurse first. I find it absolutely disgusting that this isn't the case in other countries that are allegedly at the same level of development. As many people have said, far more mediacl conditions are treated with hormonal birth control than with Viagra, many of them far more serious than erectile dysfunction (which affects just 3 things for a man really - his sex life, his ability to make babies the natural way, and his ego).

Comment by silenttrio.com

August 11th 2008 15:15
@Meredith: you turned the previous two posts into sexist issues, which they are not. "the man" is of indeterminate gender, if you will. I'm a man who fiercely defends female rights that are at risk as well as male rights that are at risk. I am fiercely opposed to non-voluntary male genital mutilation (aka neonatal circumcision, please sign up at mgmbill.org), the suppression of male emotions, and the suppression of male sexual expression that is necessarily tied to the suppression of female sexuality (who is that man having sex with that sexually repressed woman, and what do you imagine their sex life is like?), the court system defaulting in favor of mother in custody battles. I am about human liberation, and I strongly believe we all share a cage, and what many rights activists are working on is restructuring the cage.

Anyway.

Being responsible for your own health is not anti-intellectual, and I pointed out that you were in for the opposite extreme of the medical industry if you went to the website I recommended. I am not opposed to doctors or western medicine. I am opposed to:
1. My father had surgery to remove an abcess in his colon and they removed the tube that was supposed to be used to pump antibiotics directly into the area. He almost died.
2. My ex went to an obgyn who saw she had a growth on her cervix (i can't remember its name) that was in "stage 2, almost stage 3." He scheduled her for 1 month later for a surgery which can cause permanent horrible pain and inability to bear children. She had just started going to a chinese herbalist and acupuncturist to treat her uterine and vaginal issues, and she wanted him to schedule a second examination before the surgery. He would not do it. So she went to another doctor a month later, and the doctor said she was "barely in stage 1."
3. My drummer went to a doctor to check his liver health (because of other issues), and they got on the topic of his bad headaches, and the doctor prescribed him something for the headaches that is counterindicated for people with liver issues and anxiety disorders (which my drummer also discussed having with the doctor).

Furthermore, I know TWO people who have cured their cancer through diet. Not that it's the best option for everyone, but a doctor will try and terrify you into giving them hundreds of thousands of dollars for a treatment with a comparable success rate (assuming both are done properly). One of those was the first person to do it as a part of a scientific study, and she couldn't have any other sort of therapy, including simple massage. The medical industry don't give a shit, because it doesn't make them money.

On mental health drugs, I talk to people all the freaking time who think it's exact science. Bah. Most of them treat mental health issues by blocking serotonin reuptake. For one, we don't have the technology to view serotonin levels inside a live brain, so we've only been able to glean information from corpses. Secondly, many mental health disorders are thought (within the medical field) to be caused by excesses of serotonin. Hallucinations are caused by your brain dumping way too much serotonin. Third, the idea that mental health disorders are caused by serotonin deficiency just because increasing the level of serotonin seems to solve it is like saying that a deficiency of aspirin causes headaches because adding aspiring cures headaches.

Doctors don't know jack about nutrition, unless they take it upon themselves. Find a good doctor, indeed. He or she will be an excellent ally. But still, the doctor will not know as much about your body as you can with the slightest effort.

And don't call me anti-intellectual when all you're doing is comfortably toeing the line.

Comment by silenttrio.com

August 11th 2008 15:27
Oh, I missed something:
I'm not demonizing all doctors or all scientists. You have huge corporations like Glaxo-Smith-Klein or whoever that pays for R& on medication with government grants. These government grants are a public fund taken from taxpayer dollars. Then, they charge 100 dollars for something that in Canada costs 30 dollars. This is unethical, and evil.

Evil, I say. The scientists are being paid to do research, just as a judge is paid to try cases. I can have a problem with the legal system without hating judges.

On the giant R& corporations, Zoloft was shown in 3 of 5 clinical studies done by the corporation itself to have no discernable positive effect. In all the studies, the side effects (depression, suicide) were present. The FDA pushed it through. The FDA put aspartame on market even though it partially turns into formaldehyde at like 80-90 degrees Fahrenheit.

Google "paxil the zaps". It's hilarious and horrible. Horrible and hilarious.

Kids: don't smoke, don't put bleach in your kitties, do your own research, eat healthy natural foods, consult with doctors, dieticians, nutritionists, acupuncturist, traditional chinese medicine practitioners, massage therapists, etc and try less invasive options before you let someone cut a part of your body off. It may not be necessary.

That is all I'm saying. Tangent ends in 5, 4, 3...

Comment by Thoraiya Dyer

August 27th 2008 01:35
Meredith, what a wonderful post.

Silenttrio, it looks like what you are opposed to is human error. Humans make mistakes. I'm sure you have made many. A health worker making mistakes is probably going to have more consequences than a steet sweeper making mistakes, but hey, that's why it's difficult to become a doctor, and why nobody should take advice from people who DIDN'T have to jump through hoops and sacrifice years of their lives to earn their qualifications.

Comment by Johnny Come Lately

August 27th 2008 03:48
silenttrio, there have been MANY documented cases of alternative therapists causing immense problems with people's health because they have NO medical training. they have no idea of the side effects certain herbal remedies when used in conjunction with medications. I would mych rather trust my health to a person who has done 8 years of medical training than someone who did a year at TAFE.

they have their place in maintaining a healthy lifestyle but they are no substitute for a doctor.

Comment by silenttrio.com

August 27th 2008 11:59
Thoraiya, what I'm opposed to is the industry that has a monopoly on healing (through governmental regulation) abusing that power. I'm opposed to people thinking that people involved in this mafia are necessarily good-natured. I'm not saying they're necessarily NOT, because there are many mafiosos and drug smugglers who are wonderful people, too.

Doctors know about the zaps. They don't tell you about them when they prescribe Paxil. Paxil has declined in popularity, though, because the pharmaceutical companies aren't giving doctors incentive to prescribe it. The FDA pushed Zoloft through despite a lack of consistent benefit and despite a significant statistical increase in suicide rates.

If you go to someone who is going get a free vacation for selling you drugs, he will sell you drugs. I'm just saying be careful.

@Johhny Come Lately, if you're taking hard drugs (including pharmaceuticals), you should check with your drug dealer before taking anything else. I never said an alternative therapeutic practitioner is the only solution, either, but it works for prevention. There's nearly no method of prevention in western medicine.

I know people who have gotten vertebrae bolted together because they have a muscular issue in their back. Should've gone to a massage therapist. I realize people die because they took vitamins rather than go to a doctor for a major infection. Use the right tool for the job in all cases.

But again, be your own primary care physician, and take everything else as a specialist's second opinion. I don't know why this seems wrong to people?

Comment by Cheryl J

August 27th 2008 12:44
This is gone a bit off topic but I'm going to jump in anyway. Paxil does have major side effects for some people but I have to say, it saved my friend from crippling anxiety when nothing else worked. I watched this beautiful person suffer so much and Paxil gave them back a normal life. The side effects were well explained and the decision was an informed one.

Pharmaceutical companies are without a doubt greedy and self serving. They monopolise drugs that could help people because of profit but they also research and develop drugs that help people live longer and manage their lives. This post was about how ridiculous it is to say that birth control pills are a lifestyle choice which many of the comments above have proven over and over.

Comment by Cibbuano

August 27th 2008 23:21
Cheryl, I wouldn't limit it to just pharmaceutical companies. The energy companies and banks seem to be pretty greedy as well. No matter how bad the economy does, drug, energy and banks are always in the black.

I guess I'm just angry. I could go for a Paxil smoothie right about now.

Comment by Cibbuano

August 27th 2008 23:27
and McCain wants to make sure that his grim buddies all get their little blue pill - but birth control is just for 'floozies'.


Comment by Cheryl J

August 29th 2008 14:18
Hi Cib, who said corporate greed was an 80s thing, it just keeps getting worse.

Well as long as McCain and his buddies don't have to suffer the flops, why should it matter that women have to suffer from hormonal imbalance, Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, unwanted pregnancy etc etc. Now I need a paxil smoothie.

Comment by Morgan Bell

October 19th 2008 07:55
hey Summer,
i havent seen you around much lately, you might find this post of Rubys funny HERE, its short simple, and to the point!

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